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Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

They don't even have to make him openly gay, they only need to not deny the possibility and I'm taking it on board wholesale.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Since Disney has refused to do this with Steve Rogers being bisexual, despite fan response, media articles about it, and even some of the actors agreeing with the possibility, I highly doubt it would happen with Poe. They're not going to not deny the possibility for a major blockbuster movie.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

There's no amount of "fan pressure" in the world that can make bisexuality for a prominent American icon explicit in a children's blockbuster, and people who think otherwise have no idea how the industry works.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

There is however enough fan pressure to give a male character playing romantic toward his fellow male lead a bigger role. Maybe for right now that's enough, and to hope for it to be a stepping stone to less stigma in future.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Parent up, this is about Captain America, not Poe

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

It doesn't have to be explicit, though. I think people are just asking for it not to be denied.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

+1

This isn't "the Johnlock conspiracy" here. No ones after open snogging.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

then it's already not denied. Giving him a female love interest doesn't deny bisexuality.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's Disney being stubbornly anti-gay, so much as they're a giant corporation trying to make money. If they have an explicitly gay character in a movie, there are several countries in the world that will not show that movie in any capacity. And that includes big markets like Russia, where (disgustingly) homosexuality is illegal. (I've also heard people say China, which only allows theatrical releases for a certain number of international movies a year, would not allow a major movie with a lead queer character, but I don't know enough about that situation to be able to say whether that's true or not.)

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if they've really outright denied him being bisexual, though. I mean, a lot of people involved with TWS have as good as said that the movie was a love story. If it was ever addressed in canon, I don't think it'd be a full on "I love you, now let's kiss" scene since "with you to the end of the line" is pretty much the closest you're going to get to two dudes saying they love each other in this type of movie.

And to be fair, the Cap movies are the ones least focused on het romance, so.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

You don't want canon to write out your fantasies anyway--by not denying, they give you room to imagine whatever you want. But if they confirm it then it becomes subject to the writer's interpretation and like all movie writing it'll have its shitty points and then you'll have to accept all the shitty points of your fave pairing as canon.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't get why there needs to be a distinction between friendship/ family of heart love and romantic love. Romantic love doesn't require sexual love, and all of them can be the all encompassing "I would die/kill for you and I want you in my life forever" kind of emotional connection. Making arbitrary distinctions between romantic and other sorts of love makes it seem like one is being defined as more than another, and that just doesn't seem right to me.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

NA, but I think it's just that those "I would die for you" relationships are already so over-portrayed because family members or male friends that people would like it to actually be romantic and sexual love for once instead.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Making arbitrary distinctions between romantic and other sorts of love makes it seem like one is being defined as more than another, and that just doesn't seem right to me.

This would be a good point if we were talking about another straight couple, but we're not. The distinction between romanti or sexual love and platonic/familial love becomes important when the former has been systematically discriminated against and censored and the latter has not.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Shows, books and movies have done this before and it screams of "look how progressive we are having a supposedly queer character but never mentioning that in canon!"

Showing an openly gay character doesn't have to mean a big, dramatic reveal scene. It's not that difficult to throw in a line or small offhanded scene indicating they're gay.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Totally this. After the interactions in TFA they only need to keep that up and not overtly deny it with a female love interest for Oscar, or even keep up the flirting even with side mentions of het because bi works too.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Definitely.

Though, I think people keep forgetting that the screenwriters are at the mercy of Disney. They could be all for gay or bisexual characters, but they don't have entirely free reign to write what they want.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

This.

Since mcu is a topic upthread, just look at how Disney forced the Cap 3 screenwriters/directors to change the plot of the script entirely.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

It shouldn't be a dramatic reveal scene either. Just like no charaters have said anything negative about Rey's gender in aggression towards her making the subtle shift that a female being a badass isn't even notable, Poe being gay would just be what he is, and no big deal or shock to it at all. I'm so hoping they at least leave it open to being possible and don't make a big DSL about it. A canon gay hero character could help so many lgbt kids find strength.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I agree. I hope my comment didn't sound like I wanted a big, dramatic reveal scene. I actually really dislike those, partially because it comes off as trying to shock the audience and partially because not every queer person has a dramatic coming out.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Like JK Rowling saying Dumbledore was gay after the books were done.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

I love the reveal from the author but There could have been more hints in his backstory to support it, even within the confines of a mentor-student relationship and it being entirely irrelevant to the point of him showing his backstory. It wouldn't need to be obvious and the kids wouldn't need to catch on because they were all busy dealing with other things, just something more so the readers could get a hint. I don't recall any fan theories about it at all in the heyday.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The biggest Dumbledore theory I remember from HP's heyday was the "Dumbledore is a time-traveling Ron Weasley" theory. That was a fun ride.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

I took that with a grain of salt because JKR has made a bad habit of releasing canon tidbits well after the fact. Like saying she could envision certain characters as different races instead of, you know, actually writing them that way.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

This. I have a vague terror they're adding a few girlfriend mentions to 'de-gay' him, even though I really don't think they would.