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Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/robert-downey-jr-to-join-captain-america-3-exclusive-1201312229/

If you don't want to read the whole thing:

Originally, Marvel wanted to hire Downey for a small role, which would have required just three weeks of work. But Downey wanted Stark to have a more substantial role in the film’s plot, which would give him more screen time and naturally a bigger payday. This angered Marvel Entertainment chief Ike Perlmutter, who ordered the screenwriters to write Iron Man out of the script entirely, sources said.

Behind the scenes at Marvel is an absolute mess from every angle. There's also an interview with the Cap writers about how they were asked to rewrite the script to make RDJ have a bigger role, but I can't seem to find that. I think it might have been on the DVD, come to think of it.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Yup, and Perlmutter is gone now, or at least demoted to somewhere he can't control the MCU finances anymore. (Judging by some of the ridiculous stories about his cost cutting, this is probably a good thing.) From what I gather, RDJr is getting paid more for being in a Cap film than Chris Evans, the titular lead, is.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, like $20 million more and also a bit percentage of the profits if the movie does well. Marvel has said that if Civil War does well, they'll attribute it to RDJ and put him in more of the future movies.

Even for AoU, he made $40M and the next closest was Scarlett who made $20M and everyone else made under $10M. It's crazy.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Damn, that's messed up. I mean, props to RDJ, his success as Tony Stark with the first Iron Man movie is what helped Marvel get the whole MCU off the ground. But the idea that Civil War's potential success would be attributed to him, rather than the fact that it's direct the follow-up to what is largely considered to be the best MCU movie, is so frustrating. Not to mention that superheroes vs superheroes may make for crappy comics, but it clearly builds a lot of hype for movies (which both Marvel and DC are obviously counting on this year). I mean, RDJ had a cameo in The Incredible Hulk but he doesn't get blamed for its poor reception. But if Civil War does well, it's all on him? Urgh.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, especially since Guardians of the Galaxy did really well without him in it or being linked to the Avengers universe, so it's not like they need RDJ or Avengers cameos to make a Marvel movie successful. We're at the point where people will go see a movie if Marvel's name is slapped on it.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Ant-Man. Yup.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Perlmutter is still overseeing the TV, comics and merchandise of Marvel. Feige reports to the Disney studio chief for all the movies.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Considering Daredevil and Jessica Jones are leagues better than some of the more recent mcu movies, I don't think it's that bad of a "demotion".

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

It's practically a promotion, considering their long term plan to have the Luke Cage and Iron Fist series and then put together a mega series combining the main characters from all four series into one plot. It's experimental tv at its finest, and it's a hell of a lot more exciting than the same fucking movies over and over again.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Definitely. Marvel is at it's best when they're doing something different and I think giving us a view of street level characters was a good decision. I definitely appreciated that Jessica Jones was more film noa ir story about PTSD than a superhero story.

I have high hopes for Luke Cage and Iron Fist after seeing DD and JJ. Also, it's nice that the Netflix series are way more diverse than the movies.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

True, lets hope his spend-thrift ways don't start affecting the Netflix shows.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's affected the ABC shows more than the Netflix shows. Season 1 of Agent Carter suffered from some set and special effects aspects and I've heard the same of AoS.

I wonder if Netflix covers some of the costs because most of their shows are pretty high-quality.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

da

Oh I love behind the scenes wank. thanks for hooking a girl up.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Tony Stark is the only role RDJ can play and make me believe he's the character (probably because he is a spoiled rich brat himself) so I'm okay with more Iron Man, even if he's there to be a giant dick. Which again, RDJ.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

You're forgetting racist and sexist in that spoiled rich brat phrase.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

ooooo, details!

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

Sexist applies to both, but when is Tony Stark been racist?

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

I was talking about Downey.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

And I was talking about the aspects of Downey that apply to Tony. Sexism I will give you, but I don't recall Tony exhibiting racism so I didn't include it.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

NA

Not in the movies, but the comics is a different story.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

NA

It's MCU. The comics don't matter.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

da

Ooo, them's fightin' words!

I guess, I don't care about the comics either.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I haven't watched it and am not really part of that side of fandom, but if we're going to stick with MCU, didn't IM3 cause some race wank?

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

It did, because the stereotypical evil Asian character from the comics was turned into a white British actor playing a stereotypical evil middle eastern guy to cover that a blonde white spurned geek character with a hard on for revenge on Tony Stark for standing him up on a roof in the 90s.

The wank was mostly from white fanboys with a hard on for comic accuracy, and if they had gone with a sure bio stereotypical Asian enemy, the race wank would have been from people actually affected by negative portrayals of Asians in film and a lot bigger and more widespread.

Re: (Possible Spoilers Re Star Wars Episode VIII)

[(Anonymous)]

NA

Interesting. I had only seen whitewashing wank, and I had only seen that wank about IM3 brought up to add onto wank about Marvel announcing they were casting Tilda Swinton for a role in Dr Strange that was portrayed by an Asian character in the comics.