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The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/03/reylo/471768/ I'll be honest, this whole article gives me such bad secondhand embarrassment. I mean, as far as "fandom journalism" goes it's pretty innocuous, but still. I hate it when fanfiction gets covered in the news, it's so awkward. Your thoughts?

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

If you want to give him a heterosexual relationship with a prominent human being from The Force Awakens who’s not his mother, Rey’s the only contender.
brb prompting some kylo/maz

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

YES. Though if they insist on it being human/human only (the speciesist fucks) there's Jess, or Kaydel, or Phasma, or Dr Katriona, or one of the female stormtroopers, or one of the female bridge officers, or any number of others. I thought the Atlantic wasn't quite so close-minded

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Phasma would make the most sense tbh. Same side, proximity, similar age gap as Reylo (if Phasma is the same age as the actress), and w/ Kylo's presumable mommy issues, she's perf.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Raise Phasma/Kylo, RAISE!

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who fills and doesn't prompt because I suck at coming up with ideas, someone prompt so a bunch of Phasma/Kylo please. I need to round out my rare-pairs bingo card.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

She's a lesbian though.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

So? She can stille domme the fuck out of him until he cries

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

the atlantic should check their human privilege! i think the word "prominent" is used to automatically exclude minor female characters like jess or phasma, rme. maz might not even qualify. i'm so here for kylo/phasma, it's not even funny.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

I don't usually read het but I'm all about Phasma/Kylo with some femdom Phasma.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

This article was so long and boring I quit halfway through. I know people aren't familiar with fandom history but the writers need to learn how to summarize.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Reylo's not my ship but I am not looking forward to yet another round of abuse discourse that will spawn from this.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

I just have the feeling that some fans who go after reylo shippers with uncalled for aggression also used to fap to Twilight a few years ago.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Genuinely interested in why you think that. (I reread this and it sounds mean but I meant it as real curiosity. Nothing mean-spirited!)

My line of thinking was that Twilight fans would really like Reylo since there are some parallels between the dynamics of the characters (and glaring, obvs differences, of course). Brooding male, the normal female that turns out to be "special", odd/"unhealthy" relationship (villain/hero in Reylo, in Twilight it's just obsessive) etc.

I was just talking to my friend about this and she used to like Twilight a lot (back in '07, the beginning of highschool and end of middle school for us) but is very vocal about her disdain for Reylo. I honestly think it's due to her being kinda embarrassed for liking Twilight in retrospect but that is subjective and specific to her personality IMO. Or maybe not! Just thought it was interesting this was brought up!

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Your example is exactly what led me to my generalization. And I admit, it is somewhat mean-spirited. I still remember reading a snippet of Twilight, as presented by a family friend's young daughter, and going whyyyyyyy? Then I remembered I used to read Anne Rice. Derp.

Sometimes you liked one thing as a much younger person, grew up, realized it perhaps wasn't the best thing to like, then becomes vocally against the very same thing.

What I don't understand is why such aggression? It is hard enough to find people with somewhat common hobbies. Why attack them? But then fandoms are bigger now, and a lot of people don't even stick to 1 handle anymore.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Because once women realize how fucked up it was, nobody wants to be "that girl" who has taste bad enough to still fall for brooding male shit.

Though Kylo Ren is way too off the handle and emotional to be a brooding male type.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

I'll be honest, part of why I would get so aggressive about it was definitely based in self-hatred. Not for liking Twilight, I had a lot of past issues with abuse and guilt for having loved my abuser, so I hated myself for liking and, at the time, relating to the usual bad type of male character -troubled, brooding, etc. Snape was my favorite. I was really self-hating and it was why I could only see myself in such messed up characters, and I disliked that about myself. It's why I have such disgust for Kylo Ren now, probably. I won't harass his fans or anything, I just wonder how many of the tumblr kids who project their issues onto him went through what I did.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Definitely secondhand embarrassment. I'm almost surprised I haven't yet seen a video in which Daisy/John/Oscar/Adam were asked to read or comment on silly fanfiction excerpts.

This remains the funniest shit, though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpPc9Oma5Tc

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

Graham Norton is an asshole that confronts actors with fanworks to insult everyone involved for lols. I want to shit in his car.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

na

That escalated quickly.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

But Anon, how do you plan to get into his car?

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

I'll use the Force.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

I saw the the episode where he presented Cherik fanwork and cringed. It's probably not the intention of the artists to have the work they did for fun mocked on a show that's watched by a lot of people (I think? It's been on for a while so I assume it's pretty popular! - not from UK so I am not sure).

Also people can be very mean and target the artists' blog. It's uncomfortable for the actors, too. It's really terrible......

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

I remember when they did it to David Tennant. Ugh. This is why I can't watch Supernatural Con videos. Bring back the fourth wall please.

Re: The Atlantic article on Reylo

[(Anonymous)]

But Kylo's strongest relationship with a female character being his mother would actually be a stronger relationship and a better parallel to the original trilogy than some forced romance just because we have to. Do people really want to see another Padme/Anakin dilemma over a Luke/Vader one? Because we haven't seen the former a billion times already.

Seriously, I would prefer Kylo not to be redeemed because I think he works better as a conflicted villain. But if he has to happen, I think it should be at the hand f his mother not someone who is (even if they are related) a stranger.