tfa_kink | DISCUSSION/OFF-TOPIC POST

It's the two main pairings duking it out, Destiel in unprompted fics, Wincest in the Kinkmeme, and slave AUs and High school AUs out the wahzoo.

Too bad we're wanking it like the Teen Wolf fandom right now.

There are no main pairings duking it out.

Kylo/Hux dominating here, Poe/Finn dominating AO3... It's been mentioned a lot actually, throughout the discussion pages.

Dominating on one place doesn't mean shippers are fighting. People have been mentioning that one pairing is more prevalent on certain sites, but no one is fighting endlessly about it.

I think when people get called nazi's for liking a pairing, it might be fighting, lol.

lol that one one comment trying to start wank tho. Nothing came of it.

I don't know if it's happened more frequently on tumblr, but I only saw one comment like that here and no one was agreeing with the anon.

I don't know, maybe I'm just more used to actual ship wars, because what I've seen on this meme hasn't been what I would consider a ship war between two pairings.

DA

I haven't seen hardly any of this wank on tumblr, actually. A hint of anti-Reylo sentiment early on, but nothing since.

I'm betting it's less that they're saying it's a ship war, and more that the shippers themselves are fighting? That... uh, makes less sense than I thought now that I've typed it out.

Though come to think of it - genuine fandom meta question here - is it possible to have a ship war between two pairings that don't share any characters? All the ones from my past are like Harry/Hermione vs. Ron/Hermione, where the battling ships are considered mutually exclusive.

Not really. I mean, it can happens, but it's much rarer than ship wars that share characters. I think the issue with Poe/Finn versus Kylo/Hux is some people not liking one pairing and wanting to see less of it on certain sites.

I've seen people get angry about Rey/Kylo and Hux/Kylo, but it's still not what I would consider a ship war since most of the anger is coming from people who don't ship either of the pairings.

The only thing I would consider even close to a ship war in fandom is the arguments about Poe/Finn versus Finn/Rey, but those tend to be about who's more "progressive" with their ship. I find the whole thing a bit mind boggling because either of them being canon would be a great step forward for gay couples or interracial couples. I know people complain about not wanting another het ship, but there are still a lot of people who are upset at the thought of a white woman being with a black man and there aren't many positive representations of interracial couples in major blockbusters, so it would still be "progressive" even though it's still a het ship - and I say this as someone who ships every variation of Poe/Finn/Rey.

DA
your comment about "representations of interracial couples " really triggered a weird flashback for me.
i remember star trek voyager, and how at that time, my classmates (all white) said:
but hey, you must ship harry kim, because he is Asian.
you are an Asian girl, that must be logical.

and i was like, huh??
(at that time, I didn't even think of any ships at all, all I could think was, wow 7of9 is hot, and Captain Janeway is female, cool!)

Kim/Paris otp forever

janeway/7of9 OTP all the way!

(just kidding, we ship what do.
I am all for the ferengis from DS9...the things I learned what they were to supposed to represent and the race wankdrama surrounding the ferenigs about 20 years later..amazing! in case you did not know, they were supposed to represent Japanese people, which of course, went way over my head, not being American, and not know how Americans are able to decode all that kinds of things)

AYRT

That's exactly where my thoughts were going re: ship wars.

Really, I'd like to just second your whole post. That's a good post.

This!

Fandom loves to argue about who is more progressive but what often ends up happening is further marginalization.

Good lord, really? I've seen tonnes of wank on tumblr. Not what I would describe as a ship war specifically, but lots of anti-pairing sentiment and fandom-policing about what people can/cannot write without being problematic.

I haven't seen hardly any of this wank on tumblr, actually. A hint of anti-Reylo sentiment early on, but nothing since.

I had to unfollow a load of people because they formed an anti-Reylo ring/network and were gleefully reblogging the Reylo posts they'd hijacked to troll. These were people whose blogs I enjoyed before TFA, but I'm not here for that. So, yeah, there is a lot of wank on Tumblr, and it's not coming just from anti-ship blogs, it's coming from people's personal blogs, where they're boasting about attacking people over ships. People who weren't wanky or engaging in this type of behaviour before, so there wasn't any warning, or I would have unfollowed them a long time ago. You're very lucky your dash has been safe from it, I wish mine had been (although I suppose I should be grateful to have found out who the trolls were).

Yeah, that's why when people say this fandom is crazy with ships. It makes no sense. They are nowhere near as crazy as it was with Harry Potter (that Ron/Hermione and Harry/Hermione stuff was legit crazy) or how it currently is with Teen Wolf (Stydia shippers are so much like Harry/Hermione shippers, it's crazy) So TFA has always felt really nice and mild in comparison.

We get it, you don't like H/Hr. That wank is decades old, so can we stop?

I said both Ron/Hermione and Harry/Hermione got crazy, how did you get that from what I said?

How do you have such terrible reading comprehension?

It's true that TFA is nowhere near HP's level. But when you consider that HP was released over such an extended period, with years between canon updates, and a lot of fans grew up with it, then it's kind of impressive that TFA (not Star Wars in general but just TFA) already has this much ship wank since it's literally two months old.

NAYRT That's sort of true, but kind of ignores the fact that HP started with the main characters about 11 years old, and TFA has adult MCs from the top of the story. Plus the differences in how internet fandom worked then versus now.

OMG, you mentioned the Teen Wolf fandom, lol! I don't think any fandom right now is doing the most like they're doing.

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