tfa_kink | DISCUSSION/OFF-TOPIC POST

Kylo/Finn or Hux/Finn is where it's at for completely demented and abject sexual misery. One of them has been holding the other captive since infancy, and then it just goes downhill from there. Yum.

You'll also find them in the Sleepy Hollow fandom. their excuse is that the WOC lead is so badass she doesn't need the love of a man. Then turn around and ship her white-co lead male with every white female that shows up while congratulating themselves.

You guys are crazy.

-hides her stories for these two trash ships-

And deprived....or something.

-buries her shame in the ground-

Go back to the FLUFF!

Oh, THAT story! I've read it and enjoyed it but "their writing is amazing" is overstating things a bit. Still, it's too bad they gave in to the loudmouths. If it were me I would've just kept deleting their comments and kept the fic up.

I mean for the specific subject, I thought the writing was pretty good. Since people usually avoid writing those subject matters for characters they love (usually it is only explored if it is a character the author hates). And half the time it doesn't work at all since it becomes an excuse for the author to hate on said characters before that person is paired off with someone the author does like.

I would have done that too. AO3 now lets you moderate comments before they even show up, so thankfully is not that hard to deal with self entitled people like that.

Look, sometimes you just want to read about how someone who's been kidnapped as a baby and imprisoned in a fascist cult then gets groomed for sex by said fascists and has no mental framework to understand what consent or even sex is, okay!!!!

...would it de-anon you if you linked me to those stories, or...?

Fill or be filled, heh.

I'm kind of relieved that the prompt freeze came today, because I'm going to a convention over the weekend and the last thing I need is to be attached to my phone looking for new ideas...and then I have three days to myself AFTERWARDS and I will write all of the Orgasma and genderswapped Kylux I can possibly eke out.

I REALLY want the one where Poe meets Finn's parents and they put him through a trial that ends up being marriage filled. So badly. If I wasn't 25,000 words deep into another prompt I'd fill it myself.

They're both de-anons from this meme, so you're probably read them already.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/5890852/chapters/13577695

This one will be the darkest, since I have planned for Finn-not-so-willingly to be groomed into a Knight of Ren (spoilers?) by Kylo and the First Order.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/6004864

And this one is more crack, I am writing the second chapter as I we speak.

I am also currently planning and writing an "reversemirror!verse" (with canon!Finn being the one stuck in the darker universe), which will actually have Dark!Rey and Poe and Dark!StormJediPilot and Kylo(Ben)/Finn, because I am here for fucked up shit so I either go fully into the fucked up rabbit hole or not do it at all.

I like a mix of both too. Sometimes it just depends on my mood, wrt how inspired I get by different prompts.

I have noticed I tend to take on rather specific ones though.

I'm following the first one already! Your upcoming one sounds interesting too, I'm so glad to find someone else who's into similar dark possibilities :)

I think there were one or two really shitty anons who decided they had to go around yelling at people or being rude, and it made other people defensive about things that they wouldn't normally be defensive about :(

AYRT

That's awesome that you're exploring less fluffy versions of Poe/Finn. The fandom needs more variety like that.

I think it's luck of the draw over whether your fic will get attacked by these people. Because it's more about their own fandom reputation than actually caring about issues in race, they don't bother to examine and explore issues before posting about them. But they want the cred for being seen to 'fight' racism. So if one person happens to stumble upon a non-fluff Stormpilot fic and decides it's racist for portraying Finn as anything other than an adorable puppy in the shape of a human, they'll post an angry rant about it. And all their followers will reblog that rant, and add their own rantiness to it. And it will spiral and spiral and none of them will have actually read the fic or will actually understand what it is they're claiming is racist. So suddenly there's a whole angry movement against a fic, with everybody riling each other up, and not a single voice of reason.

I mean, I definitely agree it's in the execution a lot of the time. But a big chunk of TFA fandom doesn't care about valid reasons or discussion, it just wants to dogpile and be patted on the back for it. So it becomes about timing and luck, too, and hoping your fic won't get noticed by somebody looking for half-assed SJW points.

Fandom as a whole has such huge issues with racism, and there are genuinely messed up depictions of TFA characters, particularly Finn, that should be addressed. But it's getting drowned out by people yelling at anybody that doesn't ship their ship and calling themselves progressive for it.

Look. I am 30 and tumblr is hard.

Ironically some of the most racist things, particularly in reaction to Finn, are being said/perpetuated by the people yelling the loudest.

I'm an ancient 30-year-old pansexual married kinkster and genderqueerdo, get laid on the reg, and have participated in real life orgies and kink clubs and whatnot. They can be fun! But also fic versions of these things can be way hotter, because a lot of the people who show up to any given orgy are NOT the people you personally wanna bone, and you'll get a lot of attention you don't necessarily want, especially if you're young and attractive. tbh I'd rather read about Poe getting gangbanged than show up to an actual gangbang because I'm more likely to get off and less likely to have someone's creepy husband get my phone number from a mutual friend and send me unsolicited dick pics for the next two weeks. Hux getting sexually harassed by a superior officer? SO HOT. Me getting sexually harassed by the owner of the local swingers' club? FUCKING INFURIATING.

Understandable. However I'm not sure anyone outranks Hux as a superior besides Snoke. Which, I mean, if you're into that...

Rey/Ren gets called 'abusive' by fandom. Constantly. I've seen a lot of anti-Reylo posts cross my dash, and every single one uses that word.

They are literally enemies who try to hurt each other, so that's kind of the point of their relationship. And a lot of Rey/Ren shippers seem to be there for the hatesex. Those kind of ships are super common in all fandoms. But for some reason, the buzzword 'abusive' got attached to the ship early on, and people started attacking Rey/Ren shippers, calling them pro-abuse. Which is a gross accusation to level at someone for shipping fictional characters in fictional stories for their non-real life enjoyment. And also seems like a really inappropriate co-opting of actual real-life issues that people have to deal with - two fictional characters who are opposing sides of a black-and-white good-and-evil war and fight with magical shiny space swords is rather different to the kind of abuse real people in real life are dealing with every day.

It's a similar thing to the angry Stormpilot shippers. If somebody doesn't ship Stormpilot, these people can cry racism and get brownie points for being ~such activists~. So if somebody ships Reylo, those same people can cry abuse and get more brownie points.

Yes, people's tastes in erotica can be influenced by real life preferences. In the same way that, yes, that isn't always the case, and sometimes a person just wants to imagine two hot characters getting down for some angry sex. It's been a long time since I've seen such a vicious fandom-wide attack on a ship. It's like vintage anti-Harry/Ginny wank. The fact that the complaints are 'he hurt her' about two characters that are enemies makes it weirder.

<3

Urgh, that's awful. MOC and female characters get desexualised all the time in fandom (and the whole 'it's because they're too awesome' excuse is way more transparent than these people seem to think), so the treatment of WOC ends up getting the worst of both sets of bigotry.

God help the new WOC character in Ep VIII. The best she can probably expect is being paired in the background with Rey or Jess while all the focus remains on the male slash pairing. :(

Here are a bunch I'd love to see filled:

Rey/Finn/Poe - parallel universes (w/character death, sort of)
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=5179141#cmt5179141

Finn & Phasma or Finn/Phasma, Phasma defects, she and Finn bond
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4944389#cmt4944389

gen, Finn/Poe or Finn/any, burnout, breakdowns, emotional H/C
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=5368581#cmt5368581

Poe/Finn, Rey: there is a Code 66 in Finn's brain.
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4618245#cmt4618245

Finn/Poe or gen, spy!Finn gets captured on a mission (some angst and H/C)
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4543237#cmt4543237

Finn/Poe - medic Finn
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1082.html?thread=823354#cmt823354

Finn/Poe or gen: stormtrooper mourning
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1082.html?thread=899898#cmt899898

Gen or Finn/Rey/Poe, AU where they're all hockey players
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4472325#cmt4472325

OT3, modern AU, it's an illusion
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4465157#cmt4465157

Gen: TFA Murder Mystery AU (character death)
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4426245#cmt4426245

Poe/Finn - Reincarnation throughout the Ages/Worlds
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4364549#cmt4364549

Finn/Poe, amnesia, reversion
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4038917#cmt4038917

Finn+Poe, Finn's parents
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4038917#cmt4038917

Han/Leia- Going backwards to go forward
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/2821.html?thread=4057349#cmt4057349

Finn/Poe (pre-relationship/not established), obligala
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1841.html?thread=3382321#cmt3382321

Finn/Poe, groundhogs day AU/canon divergence
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1841.html?thread=3284017#cmt3284017

Poe/Leia royalty/arranged marriage AU
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1841.html?thread=2316081#cmt2316081

Finn/Poe. Finn finds out it was Poe who killed his friend.
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1082.html?thread=260410#cmt260410

Finn/Rey, Rey & Poe, Finn & Rey & Poe, optional OT3, accidental marriage w/a ~twist~
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1841.html?thread=2727473#cmt2727473

Poe/Phasma + Poe/Kylo + Poe/Phasma/Kylo, TW dub-/non-con, torture, sexual violence
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1841.html?thread=1738801#cmt1738801

Poe/Leia or Poe & Leia, Poe and the General bond (PTSD, guilt, angst, etc.)
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1841.html?thread=1762865#cmt1762865

Finn/Rey, first times (tw poss. past dub/noncon)
http://tfa-kink.dreamwidth.org/1841.html?thread=2676017#cmt2676017

I love my fluff, but sometimes I am fully here for all the dark possibilities!

I am looking forward to it, the biggest setback right now is that I am not sure what role the reverse!Finn would have had. Either as Sith Lord Rey's apprentice/love or a Resistance Pilot (since I have Poe working for the First Order).

Sadly that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

+1

God, the Paradox series was fantastic. *sigh of nostalgia*

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