The post might not make sense on its own because it was in response to the person commenting that Finn was ambitious because he wanted to be happy and did it in a 'brilliantly strategic way'
-Being fuller doesn't mean it was ever empty. You can fill a pretty much full glass. I just said that if striving to be happy counted as being ambitious and made someone a slytherin it would be fuller because so many people tend to choose what they think will make them happy.
-The strategist thing was also in response to the reply. They implied his use of strategy made him slytherin, I pointed out that he wasn't overly strategic
-Draco wasn't able to find happiness in the last two books, but that's the point, he kept on trying to work within the system and rise in it, where as Finn pushed back and left as soon as he had to do something against his morals (shoot civilians). Snape only left when the love of his life was killed. The Malfoys never did.
-The Malfoys saving their son and heir and Snape going to protect the woman he has a life long obsession aren't comparable to Finn running off to protect Rey, someone he just met. And it wasn't just when her life was in danger, he abandoned his plan to go to the outer rim. as soon as Starkiller struck. His moments of weakness/doubt serve to emphasize that his bravery comes in the face of a deep rooted fear of the First Order and a belief that fighting them and winning is impossible. He still does fight them though. Like I said if I was going to compare him to a character it would be Neville.
I mean if you put Finn as a character in the battle of Hogwarts he's not going to be saying Harry should be turned over and he's not going to run and hide, he's going to do what he believes is right and fight, even though he might be scared.
You can find traits of each house in any character but Finn doesn't seem the "folk use any means,/To achieve their end" sort so much as "the brave at heart,/Their daring, nerve and chivalry/Set Gryffindors apart" sort. In the end I believe he is shown to be defined by his bravery and courage in the face of his fear rather than his cunning and willingness to do whatever it takes to meet his end. He's defined and set apart from others by the boundaries he won't cross.
If you thinkthat he was just doing what was right for him instead of what was right that's obviously fine, that's just not the characterization of him I like to read or write so I would skip that hp au.
Re: If you were planning a TFA/Harry Potter crossover...
I agree with this post. I actually just posted a lot of my reason for Finn being more Gryffindor because of the arguments made that he should be Slytherin. I think it's because we're so use to Harry and Hermione's type of Gryffindor qualities, that we overlook Ron and Sirius' type of Gryffindor qualities that Finn has. I go in depth more in my comment. Like you said Finn does have moments of doubt and weakness but still goes back and fighting even though he doesn't think it's possible to win is comparable to Neville fighting at the Battle of Hogwarts. Also it's comparable to Ron in both book 4 and 7, where he does leave Harry's side and comes back. I think they specifically said something like when Ron's down about it and says Dumbledore knew he'd want to leave, and Harry's like 'no Dumbledore knew you'd want to come back.' If that's not Finn in that scene, I don't know what is. I understand not wanting the 'typical good guys' to go in Gryffindor, and trying to avoid that cliche, but for Finn it works for him. Yes, Finn seems more interested at first in saving his friends then being super involved in the good fight, but that's how The Marauders come off at first as well, especially Sirius and Lupin. Just like those two, Finn does in the end is super invested in the good fight.
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Re: If you were planning a TFA/Harry Potter crossover...
(Anonymous) 2016-02-23 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)-Being fuller doesn't mean it was ever empty. You can fill a pretty much full glass. I just said that if striving to be happy counted as being ambitious and made someone a slytherin it would be fuller because so many people tend to choose what they think will make them happy.
-The strategist thing was also in response to the reply. They implied his use of strategy made him slytherin, I pointed out that he wasn't overly strategic
-Draco wasn't able to find happiness in the last two books, but that's the point, he kept on trying to work within the system and rise in it, where as Finn pushed back and left as soon as he had to do something against his morals (shoot civilians). Snape only left when the love of his life was killed. The Malfoys never did.
-The Malfoys saving their son and heir and Snape going to protect the woman he has a life long obsession aren't comparable to Finn running off to protect Rey, someone he just met. And it wasn't just when her life was in danger, he abandoned his plan to go to the outer rim. as soon as Starkiller struck. His moments of weakness/doubt serve to emphasize that his bravery comes in the face of a deep rooted fear of the First Order and a belief that fighting them and winning is impossible. He still does fight them though. Like I said if I was going to compare him to a character it would be Neville.
I mean if you put Finn as a character in the battle of Hogwarts he's not going to be saying Harry should be turned over and he's not going to run and hide, he's going to do what he believes is right and fight, even though he might be scared.
You can find traits of each house in any character but Finn doesn't seem the "folk use any means,/To achieve their end" sort so much as "the brave at heart,/Their daring, nerve and chivalry/Set Gryffindors apart" sort. In the end I believe he is shown to be defined by his bravery and courage in the face of his fear rather than his cunning and willingness to do whatever it takes to meet his end. He's defined and set apart from others by the boundaries he won't cross.
If you thinkthat he was just doing what was right for him instead of what was right that's obviously fine, that's just not the characterization of him I like to read or write so I would skip that hp au.
Re: If you were planning a TFA/Harry Potter crossover...
(Anonymous) 2016-02-24 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)Like you said Finn does have moments of doubt and weakness but still goes back and fighting even though he doesn't think it's possible to win is comparable to Neville fighting at the Battle of Hogwarts. Also it's comparable to Ron in both book 4 and 7, where he does leave Harry's side and comes back. I think they specifically said something like when Ron's down about it and says Dumbledore knew he'd want to leave, and Harry's like 'no Dumbledore knew you'd want to come back.' If that's not Finn in that scene, I don't know what is.
I understand not wanting the 'typical good guys' to go in Gryffindor, and trying to avoid that cliche, but for Finn it works for him.
Yes, Finn seems more interested at first in saving his friends then being super involved in the good fight, but that's how The Marauders come off at first as well, especially Sirius and Lupin. Just like those two, Finn does in the end is super invested in the good fight.