Oh man! I love sorting people. Ok ok let's see here.
For me, the defining positive and negative traits of the four houses are as follows:
Gryffindors are brave, passionate, adventurous, desire recognition for their accomplishments, are associated with the element of Fire, and want and even need external validation. They care about people, their group, but at their worst they will try to stand above others if it means they get the praise they think they deserve. Like fire they can be quick, hot, and can hurt you, but will burn out if the situation shifts.
Ravenclaws are curious, investigative, researchers, knowledge-gatherers, associated with the element of Air, are future-driven and want to know the why and the how of everything, and they are enriched by their internal validation. They do not need external support, not even from their own peer group, but they highly value others who can keep up with them intellectually and understand their mutual need to withdraw.
Hufflepuff is comfort and care, unity, belonging, nurturing, and solidarity—the idea that the tide rises all boats. They are the Earth element, grounded and practical and welcoming. They are the quintessential 'all for one and one for all' group, and will avoid taking too much individual credit for something if it means it might make someone else feel badly. They are tangible, grounded in the here and now.
Slytherin, the Water element, values ambition and achievement, reputation, esteem, image, appearance. They, like water, can have a lot going on beneath the surface even when the top looks calm. They are confrontational, not just to get a short-term goal of recognition like a Gryffindor, but for the long game. They understand are are driven by history and tradition.
So based off of this, considering the characters as we meet them means looking at their natural temperament plus the effects of what their life and situation has brought them. Rey, although she is alone, private, mistrustful, self-taught in many ways (flying, repairs, etc) and has a lot of Ravenclaw qualities, her heart is very much Hufflepuff. She is of the earth, visually, physically, and in every way—she is about day to day survival, maintaining things as they are until her family can return. So family, belonging, compassion for lesser beings, this drives her, even though her circumstances have made her tough-skinned to survive.
So, Hufflepuff Rey, with Ravenclaw undertones.
Finn has spent all his life training and being the best, but his realization that what he is a part of isn't the truth, isn't ethically right, and isn't something he can be a part of any longer drives him to take huge risks to get away at any cost. He doesn't leave for personal glory, or for some long-range plan, or for some thing other than desperation and escape. He doesn't even leave to join the Resistance. The way he bonds with the first person who shows him a scrap of gentleness and affection, though? To me, that is straight-up Hufflepuff. Once he's out of immediate danger, we get a sense of his true motives: I'm just here to rescue Rey.
Hufflepuff Finn, for sure.
Poe, however, is a Gryffindor. Hard to separate out fanon!Poe from canon!Poe, but yeah, ace pilot? Brave and cocky and a little bit reckless? Yep.
Kylo Ren... what can I even say about Kylo Ren? His hair is so big, it's full of secrets. He punched me in the face once, it was awesome. Kylo Ren wants to be a Slytherin. He really, really wants to be. He thinks he can play the long game, be strategic, be restrained, stealthy, manipulative—but he's a hothead. He burns, and flares out. He thinks he has what he needs in Rey, but he makes a mistake. To him, embracing the dark side and embracing Vader is his way of reaching for that calm surety that Snoke keeps dangling in front of him as the ideal. His whole hallmark is lack of emotional regulation, lack of identity. Slytherins are typically very sure of their identities. Kylo Ren is a Gryffindor—yes, I know, I know. But he is. He is the shadow side of an unfulfilled, frustrated, fucking angry Gryffindor.
When Gryffindors are frustrated, they get angry, they lash out. Slytherins, they wait and bide their time and then drown you. Ravenclaws detach, disassociate, float away and conceal themselves from you. Hufflepuffs are just extremely disappointed in your life choices and punish you by not bringing you those cupcakes you like, that'll show 'em...
I really think Leia is a Slytherin. She carries the weight of her people on her shoulders, has a huge sense of duty and responsibility to that tradition and will do what it takes to stay in the long game, even if it means putting herself at risk. She is very strategic, cunning, a quick-thinker. 'Somebody has to save our skins.' Leia was the one who wanted to send Ben away for training, and she and Han (who is a Gryffindor, and you can't tell me otherwise I won't hear it la la la) disagreed on this. They may have even agreed on the what, but not on the why—train him because he needs help, he's hurting, he needs a better role model than I am, says Han. Train him because he will always have this power and he should learn to focus it, says Leia. They don't communicate on the same level, but they are both right, in a way. From a certain point of view, as it were.
Oh and Luke is totes a Hufflepuff.
Hux, I think, is a shadow Ravenclaw. Able to reason his way into abstraction, counting lives as numbers on a page. This many, and we will have the truth prevail. There is a right way and a wrong way to think, and I will show you the right way. He doesn't give two shits about the Force or mysticism, he is about rigid adhesion to a very specific Dogma. His speech reveals, he isn't doing this, really, for him and for his glory, but because he thinks he represents the messenger of truth. A closed off, evil Ravenclaw can go so esoteric that they don't even see humans as people, but prefer them faceless, orderly, and in nice neat lines.
Re: If you were planning a TFA/Harry Potter crossover...
OP - Wow! I love that you wrote a long post for my silly question. ♥
Haha, your interpretation of the houses is so different than mine, it's no wonder we landed at a lot of differing conclusions. And um, okay, I'm gonna explain my views on the houses since you did yours for me!
Gryffindor is about a personal, unswervable sense of what's right, and the (at least occasional) courage, audacity, and outright daring to attempt to ensure that what's right is what prevails. Everyone's understanding of "right" is different, of course, and different Gryffindors will attach themselves to differing causes. Likewise, what methods they use will differ, though a certain confrontationalism is common. (Compare Hermione's interest in House Elf rights to first-year Neville just attempting to keep his friends from breaking the rules to Dumbledore's long and quiet campaign to ensure that Harry defeats Voldemort while also having the horcrux in his head destroyed - likely via Harry's own death.)
Ravenclaw is about a thirst for knowledge and little else. Which isn't to diminish the house in any way - knowledge is such a broad set of topics that it literally comprises all topics, and why they want knowledge and what they want to do with said knowledge differs individual Ravenclaws even further.
Hufflepuff is about loyalty above all else - this may be loyalty to family, to friends, to a cause, to multiple groups. Hufflepuffs can be similar to Gryffindors in that they have a sense of what is just that may be hard or impossible to sway. Unlike Gryffindors, these morals are most likely to be focused on doing right by people (in whatever ways each individual Hufflepuff considers important and just), and are more likely to require patience and hard work than bold heroics.
Slytherin is about the means one is willing to use to achieve their goals. A Slytherin may have a grand ambition, several smaller aspirations, or be moving from goal to goal as their desires are accomplished or discarded. A Slytherin whose world changes around them may even be knocked off their metaphorical feet and lose sight of any goals that appeal to them. And as with the other houses, the content of these aspirations may vary wildly from person to person, depending on both their interests and their moral compass. The real key to Slytherins is a certain willingness to be underhanded which they are willing to attempt in order to achieve their ambitions (which for more morally-bound Slytherins can be a case of "the ends justify the means", for morally grey Slytherins a non-issue, and for angrier Slytherins can even be an intentional "fuck you"). Note, a Slytherin does not actually have to be adept at subtlety, guile, planning, and so forth. They simply have to be willing to try. (Case in point: Draco Malfoy.)
That's just me, though, haha. And I love that despite different viewpoints, we both landed on a definitively Hufflepuff Rey and Gryffindor Poe! And I'd love to read fic with your Gryffindor Kylo, even if that's not my personal headcanon!
And Hux gets his own separate note because gosh I am SO TORN between making him a Slytherin or a Ravenclaw! He'd be an excellent Slytherin, but he might actually be happier in Ravenclaw. Ugh! I still can't decide. XD
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Re: If you were planning a TFA/Harry Potter crossover...
(Anonymous) 2016-02-22 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)For me, the defining positive and negative traits of the four houses are as follows:
Gryffindors are brave, passionate, adventurous, desire recognition for their accomplishments, are associated with the element of Fire, and want and even need external validation. They care about people, their group, but at their worst they will try to stand above others if it means they get the praise they think they deserve. Like fire they can be quick, hot, and can hurt you, but will burn out if the situation shifts.
Ravenclaws are curious, investigative, researchers, knowledge-gatherers, associated with the element of Air, are future-driven and want to know the why and the how of everything, and they are enriched by their internal validation. They do not need external support, not even from their own peer group, but they highly value others who can keep up with them intellectually and understand their mutual need to withdraw.
Hufflepuff is comfort and care, unity, belonging, nurturing, and solidarity—the idea that the tide rises all boats. They are the Earth element, grounded and practical and welcoming. They are the quintessential 'all for one and one for all' group, and will avoid taking too much individual credit for something if it means it might make someone else feel badly. They are tangible, grounded in the here and now.
Slytherin, the Water element, values ambition and achievement, reputation, esteem, image, appearance. They, like water, can have a lot going on beneath the surface even when the top looks calm. They are confrontational, not just to get a short-term goal of recognition like a Gryffindor, but for the long game. They understand are are driven by history and tradition.
So based off of this, considering the characters as we meet them means looking at their natural temperament plus the effects of what their life and situation has brought them. Rey, although she is alone, private, mistrustful, self-taught in many ways (flying, repairs, etc) and has a lot of Ravenclaw qualities, her heart is very much Hufflepuff. She is of the earth, visually, physically, and in every way—she is about day to day survival, maintaining things as they are until her family can return. So family, belonging, compassion for lesser beings, this drives her, even though her circumstances have made her tough-skinned to survive.
So, Hufflepuff Rey, with Ravenclaw undertones.
Finn has spent all his life training and being the best, but his realization that what he is a part of isn't the truth, isn't ethically right, and isn't something he can be a part of any longer drives him to take huge risks to get away at any cost. He doesn't leave for personal glory, or for some long-range plan, or for some thing other than desperation and escape. He doesn't even leave to join the Resistance. The way he bonds with the first person who shows him a scrap of gentleness and affection, though? To me, that is straight-up Hufflepuff. Once he's out of immediate danger, we get a sense of his true motives: I'm just here to rescue Rey.
Hufflepuff Finn, for sure.
Poe, however, is a Gryffindor. Hard to separate out fanon!Poe from canon!Poe, but yeah, ace pilot? Brave and cocky and a little bit reckless? Yep.
Kylo Ren... what can I even say about Kylo Ren? His hair is so big, it's full of secrets. He punched me in the face once, it was awesome. Kylo Ren wants to be a Slytherin. He really, really wants to be. He thinks he can play the long game, be strategic, be restrained, stealthy, manipulative—but he's a hothead. He burns, and flares out. He thinks he has what he needs in Rey, but he makes a mistake. To him, embracing the dark side and embracing Vader is his way of reaching for that calm surety that Snoke keeps dangling in front of him as the ideal. His whole hallmark is lack of emotional regulation, lack of identity. Slytherins are typically very sure of their identities. Kylo Ren is a Gryffindor—yes, I know, I know. But he is. He is the shadow side of an unfulfilled, frustrated, fucking angry Gryffindor.
When Gryffindors are frustrated, they get angry, they lash out. Slytherins, they wait and bide their time and then drown you. Ravenclaws detach, disassociate, float away and conceal themselves from you. Hufflepuffs are just extremely disappointed in your life choices and punish you by not bringing you those cupcakes you like, that'll show 'em...
I really think Leia is a Slytherin. She carries the weight of her people on her shoulders, has a huge sense of duty and responsibility to that tradition and will do what it takes to stay in the long game, even if it means putting herself at risk. She is very strategic, cunning, a quick-thinker. 'Somebody has to save our skins.' Leia was the one who wanted to send Ben away for training, and she and Han (who is a Gryffindor, and you can't tell me otherwise I won't hear it la la la) disagreed on this. They may have even agreed on the what, but not on the why—train him because he needs help, he's hurting, he needs a better role model than I am, says Han. Train him because he will always have this power and he should learn to focus it, says Leia. They don't communicate on the same level, but they are both right, in a way. From a certain point of view, as it were.
Oh and Luke is totes a Hufflepuff.
Hux, I think, is a shadow Ravenclaw. Able to reason his way into abstraction, counting lives as numbers on a page. This many, and we will have the truth prevail. There is a right way and a wrong way to think, and I will show you the right way. He doesn't give two shits about the Force or mysticism, he is about rigid adhesion to a very specific Dogma. His speech reveals, he isn't doing this, really, for him and for his glory, but because he thinks he represents the messenger of truth. A closed off, evil Ravenclaw can go so esoteric that they don't even see humans as people, but prefer them faceless, orderly, and in nice neat lines.
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(Anonymous) 2016-02-23 11:53 am (UTC)(link)Haha, your interpretation of the houses is so different than mine, it's no wonder we landed at a lot of differing conclusions. And um, okay, I'm gonna explain my views on the houses since you did yours for me!
Gryffindor is about a personal, unswervable sense of what's right, and the (at least occasional) courage, audacity, and outright daring to attempt to ensure that what's right is what prevails. Everyone's understanding of "right" is different, of course, and different Gryffindors will attach themselves to differing causes. Likewise, what methods they use will differ, though a certain confrontationalism is common. (Compare Hermione's interest in House Elf rights to first-year Neville just attempting to keep his friends from breaking the rules to Dumbledore's long and quiet campaign to ensure that Harry defeats Voldemort while also having the horcrux in his head destroyed - likely via Harry's own death.)
Ravenclaw is about a thirst for knowledge and little else. Which isn't to diminish the house in any way - knowledge is such a broad set of topics that it literally comprises all topics, and why they want knowledge and what they want to do with said knowledge differs individual Ravenclaws even further.
Hufflepuff is about loyalty above all else - this may be loyalty to family, to friends, to a cause, to multiple groups. Hufflepuffs can be similar to Gryffindors in that they have a sense of what is just that may be hard or impossible to sway. Unlike Gryffindors, these morals are most likely to be focused on doing right by people (in whatever ways each individual Hufflepuff considers important and just), and are more likely to require patience and hard work than bold heroics.
Slytherin is about the means one is willing to use to achieve their goals. A Slytherin may have a grand ambition, several smaller aspirations, or be moving from goal to goal as their desires are accomplished or discarded. A Slytherin whose world changes around them may even be knocked off their metaphorical feet and lose sight of any goals that appeal to them. And as with the other houses, the content of these aspirations may vary wildly from person to person, depending on both their interests and their moral compass. The real key to Slytherins is a certain willingness to be underhanded which they are willing to attempt in order to achieve their ambitions (which for more morally-bound Slytherins can be a case of "the ends justify the means", for morally grey Slytherins a non-issue, and for angrier Slytherins can even be an intentional "fuck you"). Note, a Slytherin does not actually have to be adept at subtlety, guile, planning, and so forth. They simply have to be willing to try. (Case in point: Draco Malfoy.)
That's just me, though, haha. And I love that despite different viewpoints, we both landed on a definitively Hufflepuff Rey and Gryffindor Poe! And I'd love to read fic with your Gryffindor Kylo, even if that's not my personal headcanon!
And Hux gets his own separate note because gosh I am SO TORN between making him a Slytherin or a Ravenclaw! He'd be an excellent Slytherin, but he might actually be happier in Ravenclaw. Ugh! I still can't decide. XD