tfa_kink | DISCUSSION/OFF-TOPIC POST

I was wondering how far no kink-shaming goes for some people? Like, I've seen a lot of complaints about people writing/prompting innocent!Finn (|not that I disagree mind you) and that people who like that are annoying or what have you.

Is it the kink itself or do certain tropes fall under that rule too?

I don't think it's meaningful to draw a distinction between a link and a trope, and neither should be complained or wanked about on the prompt post but this post is fair game, as long as no one's being too much of a dick about it.

Eh, kink. My autocorrect is insufficiently kinky, but that's probably better than the alternative.

I think the no kink shaming thing applies just within the confines of the prompt/fill? Like if you don't like Kylo Ren, for example, you can complain about him, but it's bad form to complain about him on a prompt or fill ABOUT Kylo Ren or where the OP or writer clearly LIKES Kylo Ren

Within the kink meme that's how I see it anyway. This is a discussion post so I think it's fine to do some complaining here, since it's free for all, but yeah

I guess it's just "don't be rude to people on their prompts and fills if you don't like the content" etc

Personally, I think tropes falls and should fall under the no shaming rule. I rather people like your describe go blow their wad/vitriol on tumblr. I rather they stayed off the discussion boards too or we can just stop flagging that memes "are/should safe spaces for kinky people". Or maybe this meme isn't supposed to be that? Cannot find the typical "safe space" statement here. Anyhow, I don't find that nonnies should be concerned that their prompts or fills are being complained about somewhere on the meme. Especially when there's a large groups nonnies that don't usually come here.

At least with the shaming and ridiculing and pure brain-dead complaining. If you want something else you should say that. Maybe try create a fest for it or create positivity for your preference than negativity for the preferences of others. Etc.

About the criticism I've seen about innocent!Finn. It seems to boil down two things:

Firstly, it is the amount, which really isn't an adequate criticism of tropes. Recurrence is an inherent and defining feature of a trope. And when the recurrence isn't due to spam then it's likely due to people liking and wanting to innocent!Finn. So such "criticism" is in a way criticism of their preference and in a way also shaming.

Second it that there's something wrong with their interpretation or wanted portrayal of the characters. I don't think memes are the right venue for this kind of criticism. It creates unnecessary conflict and invites to shit like "shipping wars or "who's the one true bottom?" etc...

From someone who'd love badass!Finn prompt fest

I don't know if I'd go as far as calling that kink shaming. Kink shaming, to me, is hearing someone likes BDSM and calling them a freak.

Innocent!Finn prompts are more due to perceived popular headcanon. Fandom is often a hivemind and if someone comes up with a popular characterization trait or backstory about a character, people tend to adopt it as fanon.

Tropes like modern AUs or coffeeshop AUs fall under the no shaming rule because they're story plots, but I don't think saying you don't want a certain characterization or that you're annoyed by it isn't kink-shaming. You're disagreeing about a way a character is portrayed.

Saying you don't like or want a fanon headcanon - and this goes for the bottom/trop trend, which is offensive and annoying in its own right - is not kink shaming and you have every right to say you don't want or like that characterization. Fandom has a tendency to simplify characterization anyway.

Firstly, your position requires an enormous dilution in meaning that would allow for a lot of shaming. There's many ways to bring someone to feel shame. Direct insults are just one of them. Shame is inherently subjective and difficult to determine for the one not experiencing it. It can be difficult to give it a name for even the person made to feel it. I know the younger me would have felt shame if I'd gone on a kink meme and my kinks were ridiculed by nonnies on a kink meme (even if in the discussion post).

Admittedly I'm arguing for the rule to apply by analogy for tropes. My argument is that a lot of prompts are about preferred portrayal, story and plot. There's also AUs request. Rarely are there pure kink posts where all it says is: "Finn/Rey, BDSM" I don't think the fact that they aren't strictly kinks means that they should be fair game for shaming or that their preferences are inferior because of they're apart of a collective.

I'm not talking about why people prompt Innocent!Finn, I'm talking about the negative comments I've seen about the prompts and prompters of Innocent!Finn. We're not in disagreement there. Innocent!Finn (which I'd rather rename as clueless!Finn) is seemingly becoming a popular headcanon. I just don't think it's popularity or recurrence in prompt invalidates it or making them an unified consciousness. And if that's what a majority of people prefer then it will in all probability also constitute the majority of fandom output and there's nothing wrong with that in itself. It can be awful for many different other reasons (racism, sexism, ableism and more), but not because several people like the same thing.

It's perfectly ok for people to want what they want. The problem's when people start to impose their preferences, interpretation and wanted portrayals on others. Works, no a world of works as in the case of Star Wars, allows for myriads of interpretations and headcanons. The creators aren't spoon-feeding us and there're inviting blanks in the story. Likewise should there be space for many interpretations, head cannons and wanted portrayals/settings(aus) in fandom and definitively on a kink meme.

And people are perfectly capable of expressing their preferred fanon headcanon without saying something derisive or dismissive of other fanon headcanons, preferences and so on. Disliking interpretations, headcanons (which also are interpretations of sorts) and portrayals are also perfectly ok. But a kink meme, in my opinion, isn't the place to target people to say it to. Especially not in comments to prompts and fills. Only maybe if you feel it needed to be said in regards to racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist etc stuff and then with a proper argument to the Mod firstly, then.

Saying offensive stuff is what makes people feel shame.

Disclaimer: I'm not talking about every Innocent!Finn prompt or Innocent!Finn prompts in particular.

I don't know if this was intended as a reply to my comment or the OP's post, but if you were responding to me, I'm not disagreeing with you?

Misfire then. Sorry -_- , my bad.

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