AYRT Yeah, I can see the interesting dynamic appeal of the pairing, and I love me some foeyay. My problem is with the folks who treat the pairing like it's DOESN'T have the hallmarks of a fucked up relationship (I've got the same problem with some of the Kylux shippers), treating it like any other "boy meets girl" situation. It's so lazy and boring. Also I naturally distrust any group that ships something with incest potential but instead of embracing it, sticks it's fingers in its ears and hums loudly, as though incest isn't part of Star Wars' canon.
It's probably not helpful looking at "Reylo shippers" as a single homogeneous group of people with an agreed upon set of motivations and beliefs. All you need to do is check the AO3 tag to see the incredible diversity of fic being produced by different people with different kinds of interest in the pair.
It's probably also a good idea to remember that few fanwork producers are doing so professionally, so "lazy and boring" depictions may well be someone honing their craft. I do not look back at my earlier works for this reason. Or it might be what the writer's into and, honestly, more power to them, I'll scroll on by.
And finally, controversial opinion time: the reason Reylo has fucked up elements is almost entirely the fact that it includes Kylo who is fucked up. The potential incest element does not make it more fucked up because 1) no Westermarck Effect 2) Since they weren't raised together (probably) and haven't met before (probably) the fuck-up consent issues/power imbalance inherent in a lot of incestuous relationships is just not present. Reylo isn't messed up because incest, it's messed up because Kylo. Genetic arguments ignored because space future tech, not necessarily looking for a reproductive relationship, etc.
AYRT You misunderstood my comment so badly, I don't even know where to begin correcting you. Seriously, I never said incest was the problem with Reylo, never grouped ALL Reylo shippers together, and never said I hold fanfiction to the same standards I would a professional novel. Also if you think Ren being a malajusted man-child who ruins his relationships Is a "controversial opinion" instead of canon, then I lament the poorly characterized trashfic you've been reading.
if you ship Reylo over any combination of Finn/Rey/Poe, there's something wrong with your ability to recognize the requirements for a healthy relationship
Erm, yeah, ok then.
Also if you think Ren being a malajusted man-child who ruins his relationships Is a "controversial opinion" instead of canon
Also, if you think the controversial opinion the AYRT was referring to was Ren being a malajusted man-child who ruins his relationships, I don't know what to tell you. Their controversial opinion was that it wasn't the incest that was the problem. They outright say "almost entirely the fact that it includes Kylo who is fucked up."
Maybe before "correcting" anyone, you should begin by checking your own reading comprehension, such as it is.
Thank you for chiming in on this one. I was worried that I had misunderstood above anon or that I was unclear on my position. Thus it was very reassuring to be told that this was not the case. I think a solely text-based medium can leave out a lot of cues ordinarily present in conversation. I actually find this helpful, but this is likely not the case for everyone.
You need to word your comments better. If you have no problems with (potentially) incestuous ships or with Reylo shippers in general, you shouldn't write a comment saying that you do. How are we meant to read your mind and know that you didn't mean what you actually wrote?
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(Anonymous) 2016-06-22 02:36 am (UTC)(link)Also I naturally distrust any group that ships something with incest potential but instead of embracing it, sticks it's fingers in its ears and hums loudly, as though incest isn't part of Star Wars' canon.
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(Anonymous) 2016-06-22 03:45 am (UTC)(link)It's probably not helpful looking at "Reylo shippers" as a single homogeneous group of people with an agreed upon set of motivations and beliefs. All you need to do is check the AO3 tag to see the incredible diversity of fic being produced by different people with different kinds of interest in the pair.
It's probably also a good idea to remember that few fanwork producers are doing so professionally, so "lazy and boring" depictions may well be someone honing their craft. I do not look back at my earlier works for this reason. Or it might be what the writer's into and, honestly, more power to them, I'll scroll on by.
And finally, controversial opinion time: the reason Reylo has fucked up elements is almost entirely the fact that it includes Kylo who is fucked up. The potential incest element does not make it more fucked up because 1) no Westermarck Effect 2) Since they weren't raised together (probably) and haven't met before (probably) the fuck-up consent issues/power imbalance inherent in a lot of incestuous relationships is just not present. Reylo isn't messed up because incest, it's messed up because Kylo. Genetic arguments ignored because space future tech, not necessarily looking for a reproductive relationship, etc.
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(Anonymous) 2016-06-22 09:46 am (UTC)(link)Also if you think Ren being a malajusted man-child who ruins his relationships Is a "controversial opinion" instead of canon, then I lament the poorly characterized trashfic you've been reading.
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(Anonymous) 2016-06-22 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)never grouped ALL Reylo shippers together
if you ship Reylo over any combination of Finn/Rey/Poe, there's something wrong with your ability to recognize the requirements for a healthy relationship
Erm, yeah, ok then.
Also if you think Ren being a malajusted man-child who ruins his relationships Is a "controversial opinion" instead of canon
Also, if you think the controversial opinion the AYRT was referring to was Ren being a malajusted man-child who ruins his relationships, I don't know what to tell you. Their controversial opinion was that it wasn't the incest that was the problem. They outright say "almost entirely the fact that it includes Kylo who is fucked up."
Maybe before "correcting" anyone, you should begin by checking your own reading comprehension, such as it is.
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(Anonymous) 2016-06-23 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)Thank you for chiming in on this one. I was worried that I had misunderstood above anon or that I was unclear on my position. Thus it was very reassuring to be told that this was not the case. I think a solely text-based medium can leave out a lot of cues ordinarily present in conversation. I actually find this helpful, but this is likely not the case for everyone.
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(Anonymous) 2016-06-22 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)You need to word your comments better. If you have no problems with (potentially) incestuous ships or with Reylo shippers in general, you shouldn't write a comment saying that you do. How are we meant to read your mind and know that you didn't mean what you actually wrote?