Snoke's relationship with Kylo was misrepresented by his parents because then they can blame Ben's defection on Snoke's bad influence.
Ben was lonely, hurting, and angry from having to deal with his family and live in a world that's supposed to be 100% better than the overthrown Empire, but where little has changed. Snoke took him seriously, listened to him, and encouraged him to trust himself. Kylo would go straight to hell for his sake because Snoke was there for him. It's not an easy loyalty: there's less darkness in him than in Snoke. But Kylo is fiercely protective and proud to be his attack dog.
When Kylo told Han "it's too late," he meant "you're fifteen years too late to reach me."
[I want anything with Snoke making Kylo feel like he is the way he's supposed to be. Like there's hope and a future for him, and a (dark, feared) aspect of the force that recognizes him as its own, when his family would disown him for reminding them too much of Vader. Or anything with Kylo feeling frustrated and heartsick that this great person that he probably would have committed suicide if he hadn't met, who grounded him and helped keep him from going crazy, is blamed for all his damage.]
I don't want brainwashed, delusional Kylo. I want lucid, invisibly scarred Kylo who turned to Snoke as an alternative to letting his family invalidate/contradict his memories, feelings, and personality to make him into "their" Ben.
Snoke/Kylo - 'bad' is what it was for everyone else
Ben was lonely, hurting, and angry from having to deal with his family and live in a world that's supposed to be 100% better than the overthrown Empire, but where little has changed. Snoke took him seriously, listened to him, and encouraged him to trust himself. Kylo would go straight to hell for his sake because Snoke was there for him. It's not an easy loyalty: there's less darkness in him than in Snoke. But Kylo is fiercely protective and proud to be his attack dog.
When Kylo told Han "it's too late," he meant "you're fifteen years too late to reach me."
[I want anything with Snoke making Kylo feel like he is the way he's supposed to be. Like there's hope and a future for him, and a (dark, feared) aspect of the force that recognizes him as its own, when his family would disown him for reminding them too much of Vader. Or anything with Kylo feeling frustrated and heartsick that this great person that he probably would have committed suicide if he hadn't met, who grounded him and helped keep him from going crazy, is blamed for all his damage.]
I don't want brainwashed, delusional Kylo. I want lucid, invisibly scarred Kylo who turned to Snoke as an alternative to letting his family invalidate/contradict his memories, feelings, and personality to make him into "their" Ben.